Talk.Creole 0.3

With the single pipe rule for tables (i.e. "all cells separated by single pipes"), are table headings now implied? It's not clear to me what the recommended XHTML for table headings should be. Is it really a <td> tag as recommeded? Or should it be a <th> tag...

<table>
<tr>
<th>Heading Col 1</th>
<th>Heading Col 2</th>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Cell 1.1</td>
<td>Cell 1.2</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Cell 2.1</td>
<td>Cell 2.2</td>
</tr>
</table>

-- MarkWharton, 2006-12-10

It cannot be known whether headers are on the top or the left side or both, so headers are not implied.

-- Chuck Smith, 2006-12-11

I'd like to suggest some additions/changes which are in line with the currently proposed standard:

Additions#

Underlined text

Creole: __Underlined text__ (two underscores)

Proposed XHTHML: <span class="underlined"> </span>

Stricken text

Creole: --Stricken text--

Proposed XHTML: <del> </del>

Superscripted text

Creole: ^^This is superscripted text^^

Proposed XHTML: 

Subscripted text

Creole: ~~This is subscripted text~~

Proposed XHTML: 

No wiki markup

While I realise that you could use the {{{ / <pre> }}} code for this, people might not want to have some markup parsed without it being interpreted as "code". I would like to suggest using: {{{ ==no markup== }}} for simple no markup sections. {{{ {{code}} }}} on a line of their own would be more logical for blocks of {{{ <code> }}}. It would also be more in line with the rest of Creole if these were double instead of tripple, while another option might be: {{{ >> preformatted << }}} for regular preformatted text? !!Changes __Tables__ I'd like to suggest a small addition to the table definition. To define something as a header entry, we could use the DocuWiki syntax with a minor modification: {{{ |^ header cell |^ header cell | | normal cell | normal cell | |^ header cell | normal cell | | normal cell | normal cell | }}} Proposed XHTML: {{{ <th> </th> }}} __Headlines__ Is it possible to change the headlines standard to an exclamation mark? Or at least make it optional? A lot of people seem to find exclamation marks more logical. {{{ !Level 1 headline! !!Level 2 headline!! etc. }}} -- MartijnVanDerKleijn, 2006-12-11 Thanks for your interest in WikiCreole and for your suggestions. I think that some of them are helpful, but many other suggest a misunderstanding. WikiCreole is not supposed to be a second HTML, a standard embracing all wiki markup and defining how the wiki markup should be designed. There were several projects like this and they all failed. Instead, we want WikiCreole to be a small subset of wiki markup, the absolutely smallest subset of features, that can be used to contribute to any wiki site with unknown (yet) markup. It's also a format for writing articles in such a way, that you can put them on any wiki, no matter what engine it uses. That's why WikiCreole must be limited. Another problem is the choice of markup. Often there are little "technical" differences, and the choice of markup becomes a [http://www.c2.com/cgi/wiki?BikeShed|BikeShed] -- literally __everyone__ has their own idea. That's why we always try to explain the reasons behind chosing certain markup -- often simply selecting the more widespread one. Also note, that the exact rendering of the page is outside the scope of the WikiCreole specification. Whether ''emphasis'' or __strong__ is rendered as italic, underlined, colored, inverted, scrolled, blinking or just insanely huge text -- is irrelevant. Same goes for {{{escaped text}}} rendered as monospaced or not -- I think that Creole even suggests that it shoudn't be monospaced. It's very hard to respond to this kind of proposition made in bulk -- could you please put the comments on respective talk pages, together with some explanations and rationales behind them, so that they can be discussed together with other propositions? -- [RadomirDopieralski], 2006-12-11 I have my problems with a table with single pipes and links like [Go to my page|MyBigPage]. How should this be distinguished ? -- JoachimStolberg