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Hi guys!

I feel that a more abstract description of the goals of and motivation behind the Creole markup is still missing, and couldn't hurt. This would provide a better understanding of what Creole is, as well as of what it is not, to both those who are currently actively involved as Wiki authors, and to potential future authors.

In addition, it would facilitate marketing efforts with respect to public reception and opinion.

The goals we came up with at the Workshop, which are also listed in this Wiki, are fairly specific and already target the actual implementation of the markup itself, albeit on a conceptual basis.

What are your thoughts on this?


I wonder about two things:
  • What is the actual goal of this -- making editing different wikis easier for users, or making wikis interoperate easier?
  • Is the markup format already decided (and if so, what are the rationales behind it), or is it to be discussed here?


Creole would do both: first of all it would make editing different wikis easier. At the same time it would make wiki interoperability easier. If every wiki would have a creole converter it could become the "protocol" language. Personally i think though that the best interoperability comes from people that can copy and paste seemlessly snippets from one wiki to the other etc. I would not rely to much on that the machines would do that somhow for us.

There's now a specification that is not yet the final draft, there's still room for discussion, but it will give wikidevelopers a direction to implement and experiment. The decissions made on the wikisym will be documented in this wiki, i hope that the participants will add the exact rationales to the elements and further discuss alternatives here. I already tried to do that as you can see in Talk.Lists for example. Take a look at the Goals that the participants formulated for a rough direction.

--Christoph 30-Aug-06

I'm thinking about bringing the topic of WikiCreole on the next ting. Would you be interested and come to discuss and work on it a little bit interactively? Anyways, feel invited (I came up with it a little late, maybe it should be a later ting).

-- RadomirDopieralski 2006-09-02

Do you guys think that blocking any edit that has "Comment by" in the change note field would be easy to do? :)

-- RadomirDopieralski, 2007-Mar-03

But wouldn't it be easy for a robot developer to change it? I'am not sure if that would solve our problem in the long run...

-- ChristophSauer, 2007-Mar-04

It would be easy for the robot developer -- if you assume that the script is used by the developer himself and that he targets only this wiki specifically (and checks on the results regularly). On the other hand, if the script is being used by someone who doesn't fully understand it, this wiki is not the only target and the checkups are rare -- we have a good chance of becoming a too costly target.

Looking at the date format (identical to locale used by this wiki internally) and unified format of the comments I'd guess that the spammer uses some kind of "comment action" that is present in JSPWiki but not used on this particular wiki (due to Talk.* pages). So, maybe just blocking that action would make the spammer's life much harder?

-- Radomir Dopieralski, 2007-Mar-04

Excellent. You are right - it's a feature we are not using here. I disabled it (won't tell any details). Let's see what happens.

-- Christoph Sauer, 2007-Mar-04

Maybe we could split that page into several subpages, with external links on every subpage, so that Herb will be happy?

-- RadomirDopieralski, 2008-Mar-08

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