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Hello,
Hello !!!
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//**note :** This page is a work in progress. I use it as a repository for ideas, views and explorations -- anything may change at any time. Some of the points may later migrate to wikiCreole talk pages or new pages to better feed the common reflexion. Feel free to comment anyway, either by letting a note (clearly distinguished and signed), or on my talk page (then say what point you comment). Thank you.//
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[{TableOfContents title='sommaire'}]
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= personal position
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!!! personal position
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are not relevant for me: they're rather second stage criteria. What I mean is that, to my opinion, these criteria are fundamental for a interwiki-only markup, precisely for mixing creole with local markup -- which sounds a bit alien to my ears. Otherwise
are not relevant for me: they're rather second stage criteria. What I mean is that, to my opinion, these criteria are fundamental for a interwiki-only markup, precisely for mixing creole with local markup -- which sounds a bit alien & confusing to my ears. Otherwise
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!!! glossary
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**style tag :**
A kind of tag used to enclose a segment of text. \\
Used to apply the same formatting to the whole segment. \\
In creole, double characters are used : // ** ##. \\
It may be good if the same simple character could be used at the start of an alinea to set its global style, optionnally in addition to a layout tag.
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= glossary
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A bit of text inside a logical_line \\
A bit of text inside an alinea \\
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**style tag :**
A kind of mark/tag used to enclose a segment of text. \\
Used to apply the same formatting to the whole segment. \\
In creole, double characters are used.
**newline character & newline tag : ** a mark (LF and/or CR characters) usually inserted by pressing the return/enter key. \\
A newline is both a plain text character that creates a new visual line (sub-alinea) and, in most cases, a tag that starts a new line-component. \\
Logically enough, a newline preceeded by an escape (plain-character) tag becomes, or may become, a simple character newline : it loses its tag function but remains a plain character, thus starting a new visual line without marking the end of the alinea. \\
In many wiki languages, including creole, a newline works as above specified for all kinds of alineas //except for regular text paragraphs//. In that case, a single newline is ignored ; a logical newline is marked by a double newline ; a visual newline is set by a special break tag.
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**logical & visual lines :**
A chunk of text ended by a newline mark. \\
In regular text, a logical line is a paragraph ; it can also be a simple line, a header, a list item, a table row, when started with the appropriate layout tag.\\
A //logical// line may be split into //visual// lines with a soft newline.
**logical & visual newlines : ** a mark usually inserted by pressing the return/enter key. \\
A newline is both a plain character that creates a new visual line and, in most cases, a tag that starts a new line-component (see comment about this below under 'page structure'). \\
Logically enough, a newline preceeded by an escape (plain-character) tag becomes a visual newline : it loses its tag function but remains a plain character, thus starting a new visual line without marking the end of the logical line. \\
In many wiki languages, including creole, a newline works as above specified for all kinds of logical lines //except for regular text paragraphs//. In that case, a single newline is ignored ; a logical newline is marked by a double newline ; a visual newline is set by a special break tag.
**layout tag :** A kind of mark/tag placed at the start of a logical line \\
**alinea, sub-alinea & visual line :**
An alinea is a piece of text ended by a newline //tag//. In regular text, an alinea is a paragraph ; it can also be a heading, a list item, a table row, when started with the appropriate layout tag.\\
A sub-alinea is piece of text ended by a newline //character//. \\
Alineas & sub-alineas are usually, and automatically, wrapped in several //visual// lines to fit in the window width.
//Note : the latin word "alinea" avoids confusion with "paragraph" :
* for authors, as a paragraph is a kind of alinea
* for techos, as paragraph is an html tag / element
I first chose "logical line", but I find "alinea far better.//
**layout tag :** A kind of tag placed at the start of an alinea \\
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**block :** Either a sequence of segments of the same type (e.g. a list made of list items), or a part of page included as a hole instead of beeing written (e.g. TOC, note list, image) \\
see "page structure"
**block :** Either a sequence of alineas of the same type (e.g. a list made of list items), or a part of page included as a hole instead of beeing written (e.g. TOC, note list, imported page, image) \\
Note that there are single-alinea blocks -- especially headings.
//see also "page structure"//
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**section = header / content :** Major semantic tailoring of a page. \\
A header is a segment ; may be split into title / subtitle. \\
**section !!! heading / content :** Major semantic tailoring of a page. \\
A heading is a (special kind of ?) alinea ; may be split into title / subtitle. \\
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= page structure
// please improve & criticize on talk page//
!!! page structure
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=== page component tree
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!!!!!! page component tree
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header
heading
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header
heading
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content
body (or content)
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line (logical)
line (visual)
alinea
sub-alinea (split with NL)
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(A header could be a single-section block, thus both a section and a block ? Then, how to mark a subtitle ? There should be a tag. Splitting a header with a visual newline is not coherent, as it's not a tag. If we choose a new tag (e.g. '!'), then a header becomes a block with 2 logical lines. Similar to a definition block.)
(A heading could be a single-section block, thus both a section and a block ? Then, how to mark a subtitle ? There should be a tag, or what ? Splitting a heading with a visual newline is not coherent, as it's not a tag. If we choose a new tag (e.g. '!!!'), then a heading would become a block with 2 alineas. Similar to a definition block tagged with ;term:explanation)
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This is a semantic, informal, structure : it is not actually marked by the tagged format, the reader only deducts it from the sequence of different page elements. Note that a header marks the start of a section (also if the following content is blank or even empty). But there is no delimited section in fact. //Idem// for logical lines in a block. //Idem// for segments in a line. \\
This is a semantic, informal, structure : it is not actually marked by the tagged format, the reader only deducts it from the sequence of different page elements. Note that a heading marks the start of a section (also if the following content is blank or even empty). But there is no delimited section in fact. //Idem// for alineas in a block. //Idem// for segments in a line. \\
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The page itself is a section, //id est// a header-body pattern. But it's not a sequence of sub-sections, as its body (content) can start -- and often actually starts -- with an untitled introduction. Idem for the sub-sections. \\
Thus, each body, including the page's content, is a series of blocks. Some of them can be headers, thus informally creating new sections.
The page itself is a kind of super-section, //id est// a heading-body pattern. But it's not a sequence of sub-sections, as its body (content) can start -- and often actually starts -- with an untitled introduction or abstract. In other words, there is often some content before any section. //Idem// for the sub-sections. \\
Each body, including the page's full content, is a series of blocks. Some of them can be headings, thus informally creating new sections.
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=== semantic page structure
!!!!!! semantic page structure
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? ==> this element can be present or not (0 or 1 time) \\
+ ==> this element can be repeated (1 or more times) \\
¤ ==> this element can be present any number of times (0, 1 or more times)
? !!!!!!> this element can be present or not (0 or 1 time) \\
+ !!!!!!> this element can be repeated (1 or more times) \\
¤ !!!!!!> this element can be present any number of times (0, 1 or more times)
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page : header body
header : title sub_title?
page : heading body
heading : title sub_title?
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block : header | paragraph_block | bullet_list | number_list | table | imported_block | computed_block
paragraph_block : paragraph+
bullet_list : bullet_list_item NL
number_list : number_list_item NL
table : table_row
imported_block : {{//type// //ID// (|//parameter//=//value//)*}}
computed_block : ((//type// //ID// (|//parameter//=//value//)*))
block : heading | paragraphs | list | definitions | table | imported_block | computed_block
paragraphs : paragraph+
list : (bullet_list_item | number_list_item)+
definitions : definition+
definition : term explanation
table : table_row+
imported_block : {{//type// //ID// (|//parameter//!!!//value//)*}}
computed_block : ((//type// //ID// (|//parameter//!!!//value//)*))
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** note the major difference between //semantic// & //markup// page structures** (lol)
=== markup page structure
!!!!!! markup page structure
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page : logical_line¤
logical_line : title | sub_title | paragraph | bullet_list_item | number_list_item | table_row | imported_block | computed_block
page : alinea¤
alinea : title | sub_title | paragraph | bullet_list_item | number_list_item | definition | table_row | imported_block | computed_block
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=== logical line components structure
//note the major difference between //semantic// & //markup// page structures (lol)//
!!!!!! alinea components structure
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header : title sub_title?
title : =+ text NL
sub_title : !+ text NL
title : !!!+ text NL
sub_title : !!!+ text NL
term : ; text NL
explanation : : text NL
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paragraph : logical_line_style_mark* text NL
paragraph : alinea_style_mark* text NL
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=== inline text structure
//Any alinea may be split into sub_alineas using character newline, i.e. a break. As it's just a visual or semantic feature, there needs no tag for it.//
!!!!!! inline text structure
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styled_text : distinct_text | important_text | litteral_text | monospace_text
styled_text : distinct_text | highlight_text | litteral_text | monospace_text
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important_text : **plain_text**
highlight_text : **plain_text**
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=== style markers :
!!!!!! style markers :
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distinct : /
important : *
litteral : ?
monospace : ?
code : ?
distinct : // (very intuitive)
highlight : ** (conflict with bullet list)
litteral : "" (rather good if not used for quoting) or {{{}}} (very bad)
monospace : ## ? (not intuitive at all / conflict with anchors)
code : ???
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=== special tags
raw character (escape) : '\' \\
glue & scissor (see below) : '__' \\
//This mark is used to make a visual line out of two source lines, or the contrary -- may be useful ? Don't confuse with the logical line / visual line distinction discussed above. This tag marks a difference between source and displayed text.
!!!!!! special tags & marks
**raw character tag** (escape) : {{{'\' or '~'}}} \\
//Maybe not necessary if the litteral tag is fast and easy to type. And if there is no need for a special character to split an alinea in several lines. //
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**sub_alinea mark** : escape, if available
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//Used to split an alinea in visual/semantic lines. Not a tag. Should be NL !!!!!!!!!//
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= what I prize in creole
**glue & scissor mark** : {{{'__' or '\\'}}} \\
//This mark is used to make a visual line out of two source lines, or the contrary -- may be useful ? Don't confuse with the alinea / visual line distinction. This mark sets a difference between source and displayed text. Very bad indeed !!! Rare, cryptic & confusing.//
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!!! what I prize in creole
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* the focus on the most important features
* the focus on the most highlight features
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= what I miss / what I don't like
!!! what I miss / what I don't like
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* page title (!=page_name) & subtitle
* sub-headers
* "distinct" (example, quotation, remark, advice) & "important" segments parallel to "distinct" (italic) & "important" (bold) segments
* page title (!!!!!!page_name) & subtitle
* sub-headings
* "distinct" (example, quotation, remark, advice) & "highlight" segments parallel to "distinct" (italic) & "highlight" (bold) segments
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* nowiki and monospace should be totally distinct !
* syntax for native (x)html, including (java)scripts (I propose most simply to double <> tags to <<>>)
* --nowiki and monospace should be totally distinct !!!-- //they are (or will be ?) !!! (thanx to [[YvesPiguet]] for the precision)
* syntax for native (x)html, including (java)scripts (I propose most simply to double <> tags to <<>> -- rather evident & consistent choice)
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!!! using words : *pro* internationalisation
**basic error:**\\
Using words in wiki syntax is //not// an obstacle to internationalisation, rather the contrary ; as long as the author can use his/her own language !!!
Such (key)words need not and should not be used for prominent formatting, such highlight or list. Rather it may be very useful for precising elements. Especially for imported blocks, or variables. This allows using the same syntax for analog , but distinct element types. For instance :
((page navigation | dynamic!!!true))
((box new_page | title!!!"crear nov paj"))
((image logo.png | tag!!!"logo" | hSize!!!55))
(()) means import -- a keyword shows the type of element -- then its id/location -- and possible parameters.
Technically, it's really easy to do. The best would be to include the available translations into the parser. Otherwise, it can be done in the editor, which even gives the user the possibility to change the lexicon.
Both solutions are based on a dictionary.
**build lexicons**
* give each feature a descriptive name/ID, such as "dynamically_imported_image"
* choose a clear keyword for each ID in all languages
* from this build a lexicon per language
**write in your own language**
* the site admin and/on the user can choose the language
* separating foreground & background : the editor reads and displays keywords in the chosen language but stores matching IDs
//or//
* the parser transcodes to html according to the language parameter
**distribute**
* the real source holds IDs, not language-dependant keywords
* the lexicons are present on all sites who know creole
* other authors read the same source in their //own// language
//Note that this principle works for any programming language !!! With such an supple editor -- foregroung/background separation --, your could programm C or python or whatever in your own mother tongue. And even change language features to fit your view: I would change assignment to ':' instead of '!!!'.//
!!! marking components
todo
!!! tags : choosing the right character for the right use
//buiding a matching table//
Below all non-control non-letter non-digit 7-bit-ASCII characters/keys. We should stick to these, as other characters may be problematic with non-english keyboards like mine ;-) :
{{{!!!}}} " # $ % & ' ( ) * + , - . / : ; < !!! > ? @ [ \ ] ^ _ ` { | } ~ NL SP TAB
!! what do people do ?
//human-to-human text//
How de the people already format, style & layout plain text ?
see [[http://usemod.com/cgi-bin/mb.pl?SillyTextFormattingRules]]
Especially numbered lists & line breaks.
!! feature --> character table
|== feature |== characters |== fit |== example |== note ]
|== style | | | | simple char at start of line for alinea style |
| highlight | ** !! | !! | | * conflict with list\\! good |
| distinct | // | // | | perfect ==? |
| monospace | ## !! __ | {{{==}}} | | # conflict with anchor & list |
| litteral/escape | ~ ~~ {{{{{{}}}}}} \ {{{\\}}} "" '' | " | | " pb at start of line? |
|== link/pointer | | | | can be treated as component |
| to page | {{{[[]]}}} | | | |
| alias | {{{|}}} \ | | | {{{|}}} conflict with table\\see parameter |
| categorized page\\language\\interWiki| {{{:}}} \ | | | {{{:}}} conflict with definition & subTitle |
| to anchor/target | # @ | | {{{[[page@target]]}}} | |
| anchor/target | {{{## @@}}} | {{{@@}}} | @@target@@ | |
|== layout | | | | |
| new alinea\\paragraph | NLNL NL § {{{\\\}}} | | | see alinea break\\§ similar to list & title\\NLNL good display |
| title | == == + | | | |
| subTitle | : _ | _ | | : similar to def meaning\\_ good ? |
| bullet list item | * . | . | | * conflict with highlight |
| number list item | # ? n 1 | | | # conflict with monospace\\why not 'n' or a real number? |
| def term | ; ? | ? | | ; not explicit at all\\? conflict with variable |
| def meaning | : | : | | :conflict with category link |
| table cell | {{{|}}} | {{{|}}} | | |
| table head | {{{|==}}} | {{{|?}}} | | |
| horiz. rule | ---- | ---- | | yep ! |
|== blocks | | | | |
| component | {{{{{}}}}} | | {{image address}} | |
| (x)html | {{{<<>>}}} | | {{{<<span class=="abstract">>}}} | |
| code | (()) | | ((python {{{|}}} print("nohtyp"))) | parenthesis ? |
|== line breaks | | | | |
| alinea break | {{{\\}}} NL | NL | | not needed !!==\\not a tag |
| scissor/glue | {{{\\}}} __ | | | avoid == (confusion)\\not a tag |
|== elements | | | | |
| parameter | {{{|}}} \ ? | | | {{{|}}} conflict with table\\see alias |
| variable | %% ?? | | %%page_name%% | ? conflict with defintion\\may be considered as component |
| | | | | |
| | | | | |
(*) A link may also be considered as a generated component. This choice would be consistent with the facts : a link is not only text, and it accepts parameters. Syntax : [[link page | alias]]. Pb : it makes longer a very common feature. But the real typing pb lies in the double double bracket, not in typing a short word, as there's already text to type in the address. Or what ? Side advantage : it makes brackets or braces free for something else (placeholder - variable - what else ?).
!!! character --> feature table
todo -- the opposite of above, to better see free & matching characters
!!! newline / paragraph
[[the user's newline]]
!!! customization alternative
[[customization alternative]]
----
//life is strange//
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