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 At line 1 changed one line Hello, Hello !!! At line 6 added one line //**note :** This page is a work in progress. I use it as a repository for ideas, views and explorations -- anything may change at any time. Some of the points may later migrate to wikiCreole talk pages or new pages to better feed the common reflexion. Feel free to comment anyway, either by letting a note (clearly distinguished and signed), or on my talk page (then say what point you comment). Thank you.// At line 8 added one line [{TableOfContents title='sommaire'}] At line 8 removed one line = personal position At line 11 added 2 lines !!! personal position At line 15 changed one line are not relevant for me: they're rather second stage criteria. What I mean is that, to my opinion, these criteria are fundamental for a interwiki-only markup, precisely for mixing creole with local markup -- which sounds a bit alien to my ears. Otherwise are not relevant for me: they're rather second stage criteria. What I mean is that, to my opinion, these criteria are fundamental for a interwiki-only markup, precisely for mixing creole with local markup -- which sounds a bit alien & confusing to my ears. Otherwise At line 25 added one line !!! glossary At line 27 added 5 lines **style tag :** A kind of tag used to enclose a segment of text. \\ Used to apply the same formatting to the whole segment. \\ In creole, double characters are used : // ** ##. \\ It may be good if the same simple character could be used at the start of an alinea to set its global style, optionnally in addition to a layout tag. At line 24 changed one line = glossary **segment :** A bit of text inside an alinea \\ May be enclosed in delimiter tag to indicate its style. At line 26 changed 4 lines ;**style tag** A kind of mark/tag used to enclose a segment of text in order to apply the same formatting to the whole piece. \\ In crole, double characters \\ e.g. **important** [[link]] **newline character & newline tag : ** a mark (LF and/or CR characters) usually inserted by pressing the return/enter key. \\ A newline is both a plain text character that creates a new visual line (sub-alinea) and, in most cases, a tag that starts a new line-component. \\ Logically enough, a newline preceeded by an escape (plain-character) tag becomes, or may become, a simple character newline : it loses its tag function but remains a plain character, thus starting a new visual line without marking the end of the alinea. \\ In many wiki languages, including creole, a newline works as above specified for all kinds of alineas //except for regular text paragraphs//. In that case, a single newline is ignored ; a logical newline is marked by a double newline ; a visual newline is set by a special break tag. At line 31 changed 2 lines ;**layout tag** A kind of mark/tag placed at the start of a logical_line in order to set its layout. **alinea, sub-alinea & visual line :** An alinea is a piece of text ended by a newline //tag//. In regular text, an alinea is a paragraph ; it can also be a heading, a list item, a table row, when started with the appropriate layout tag.\\ A sub-alinea is piece of text ended by a newline //character//. \\ Alineas & sub-alineas are usually, and automatically, wrapped in several //visual// lines to fit in the window width. //Note : the latin word "alinea" avoids confusion with "paragraph" : * for authors, as a paragraph is a kind of alinea * for techos, as paragraph is an html tag / element I first chose "logical line", but I find "alinea far better.// **layout tag :** A kind of tag placed at the start of an alinea \\ Used to set its layout. At line 34 changed 3 lines ; **logical & visual newlines** :A newline is a mark usually inserted by pressing the return/enter key. A newline is both a plain character that creates a new visual line and, in most cases, a tag that starts a new line-component (see comment about this below under 'page structure'). \\ Logically enough, a newline preceeded by an escape (plain-character) tag becomes a visual newline : it loses its tag function but remains a plain character, thus starting a new visual line without marking the end of the logical line. **block :** Either a sequence of alineas of the same type (e.g. a list made of list items), or a part of page included as a hole instead of beeing written (e.g. TOC, note list, imported page, image) \\ Note that there are single-alinea blocks -- especially headings. //see also "page structure"// At line 38 changed 2 lines bla bla bla ~ bla bla **section !!! heading / content :** Major semantic tailoring of a page. \\ A heading is a (special kind of ?) alinea ; may be split into title / subtitle. \\ A content is a sequence of blocks \\ //see "page structure"// At line 41 removed 4 lines ; **logical & visual lines** :A chunk of text ended by a newline mark. \\ In regular text, a logical line is a paragraph ; it can also be a simple line, a header, a list item, a table row, when started with the appropriate layout tag.\\ A //logical// line may be split into //visual// lines with a soft newline. At line 46 removed 3 lines ; **segment** :A bit of text inside a logical_line \\ May be enclosed in delimiter tag to indicate its style. At line 50 changed 2 lines ; **component** :Either a sequence of segments of the same type (e.g. a list made of list items), or a part of page included as a hole instead of beeing written (e.g. TOC, note list, image) -- see "page structure" !!! page structure At line 53 removed 2 lines ; **section = header / body** : Major semantic tailoring of a page. A header is a segment ; a body is a sequence of blocks -- see "page structure" At line 57 removed 3 lines = page structure // please improve & criticize on talk page// At line 61 changed one line ** note the major difference between //semantic// & //markup// page structures** !!!!!! page component tree At line 63 changed one line === semantic page structure {{{ page section At line 76 added 30 lines section heading content heading title subtitle body (or content) block alinea sub-alinea (split with NL) segment character }}} (A heading could be a single-section block, thus both a section and a block ? Then, how to mark a subtitle ? There should be a tag, or what ? Splitting a heading with a visual newline is not coherent, as it's not a tag. If we choose a new tag (e.g. '!!!'), then a heading would become a block with 2 alineas. Similar to a definition block tagged with ;term:explanation) This is a semantic, informal, structure : it is not actually marked by the tagged format, the reader only deducts it from the sequence of different page elements. Note that a heading marks the start of a section (also if the following content is blank or even empty). But there is no delimited section in fact. //Idem// for alineas in a block. //Idem// for segments in a line. \\ However, even if not formally marked, this structure could rather easily be constructed by an dedicated parser. The page itself is a kind of super-section, //id est// a heading-body pattern. But it's not a sequence of sub-sections, as its body (content) can start -- and often actually starts -- with an untitled introduction or abstract. In other words, there is often some content before any section. //Idem// for the sub-sections. \\ Each body, including the page's full content, is a series of blocks. Some of them can be headings, thus informally creating new sections. !!!!!! semantic page structure **key** : ? !!!!!!> this element can be present or not (0 or 1 time) \\ + !!!!!!> this element can be repeated (1 or more times) \\ ¤ !!!!!!> this element can be present any number of times (0, 1 or more times) At line 66 changed 8 lines page : title body title : = regular_text NL body : block* component : header | paragraph_component | bullet_list | number_list | table | imported_component | computed_component header : =(=)+ regular_text NL paragraph_component : paragraph+ paragraph : text NL bullet_list : bullet_list_item NL page : heading body heading : title sub_title? body : block¤ block : heading | paragraphs | list | definitions | table | imported_block | computed_block paragraphs : paragraph+ list : (bullet_list_item | number_list_item)+ definitions : definition+ definition : term explanation table : table_row+ imported_block : {{//type// //ID// (|//parameter//!!!//value//)*}} computed_block : ((//type// //ID// (|//parameter//!!!//value//)*)) }}} !!!!!! markup page structure {{{ page : alinea¤ alinea : title | sub_title | paragraph | bullet_list_item | number_list_item | definition | table_row | imported_block | computed_block }}} //note the major difference between //semantic// & //markup// page structures (lol)// !!!!!! alinea components structure {{{ title : !!!+ text NL sub_title : !!!+ text NL term : ; text NL explanation : : text NL At line 75 removed one line number_list : number_list_item NL At line 77 removed one line table : table_row At line 79 changed 4 lines imported_component : {{//type// //ID// (|//parameter//=//value//)*}} computed_component : ((//type// //ID// (|//parameter//=//value//)*)) text : plain_text | styled_text styled_text : distinct_text | important_text | raw_text | monospace_text | link | variable paragraph : alinea_style_mark* text NL }}} //Any alinea may be split into sub_alineas using character newline, i.e. a break. As it's just a visual or semantic feature, there needs no tag for it.// !!!!!! inline text structure {{{ text : plain_text | styled_text | link | variable styled_text : distinct_text | highlight_text | litteral_text | monospace_text At line 84 changed 2 lines important_text : **plain_text** raw_text : ??plain_text?? highlight_text : **plain_text** litteral_text : ??plain_text?? At line 87 changed one line link : [[//address// (|//text/)?]] link : [[#?address (| text)?]] At line 89 changed one line plain_text : (//list of valid text characters separated with '|')* plain_text : (text_character | \tag_character)* At line 92 changed one line === markup page structure !!!!!! style markers : At line 94 changed 4 lines page : title body title : = regular_text NL body : segment* segment : header | paragraph | bullet_list_item | number_list_item | table_row | imported_block | computed_block distinct : // (very intuitive) highlight : ** (conflict with bullet list) litteral : "" (rather good if not used for quoting) or {{{}}} (very bad) monospace : ## ? (not intuitive at all / conflict with anchors) code : ??? At line 100 changed one line **n o t e s** !!!!!! special tags & marks **raw character tag** (escape) : {{{'\' or '~'}}} \\ //Maybe not necessary if the litteral tag is fast and easy to type. And if there is no need for a special character to split an alinea in several lines. // At line 102 changed 3 lines * * * **sub_alinea mark** : escape, if available At line 170 added one line //Used to split an alinea in visual/semantic lines. Not a tag. Should be NL !!!!!!!!!// At line 172 added 2 lines **glue & scissor mark** : {{{'__' or '\\'}}} \\ //This mark is used to make a visual line out of two source lines, or the contrary -- may be useful ? Don't confuse with the alinea / visual line distinction. This mark sets a difference between source and displayed text. Very bad indeed !!! Rare, cryptic & confusing.// At line 108 removed one line = what I prize in creole At line 176 added 3 lines !!! what I prize in creole At line 112 changed one line * the focus on the most important features * the focus on the most highlight features At line 118 changed one line = what I miss / what I don't like !!! what I miss / what I don't like At line 122 changed 3 lines * page title (!=page_name) & subtitle * sub-headers * "distinct" (example, quotation, remark, advice) & "important" segments parallel to "distinct" (italic) & "important" (bold) segments * page title (!!!!!!page_name) & subtitle * sub-headings * "distinct" (example, quotation, remark, advice) & "highlight" segments parallel to "distinct" (italic) & "highlight" (bold) segments At line 128 changed 2 lines * nowiki and monospace should be totally distinct ! * syntax for native (x)html, including (java)scripts (I propose most simply to double <> tags to <<>>) * --nowiki and monospace should be totally distinct !!!-- //they are (or will be ?) !!! (thanx to [[YvesPiguet]] for the precision) * syntax for native (x)html, including (java)scripts (I propose most simply to double <> tags to <<>> -- rather evident & consistent choice) At line 202 added 104 lines !!! using words : *pro* internationalisation **basic error:**\\ Using words in wiki syntax is //not// an obstacle to internationalisation, rather the contrary ; as long as the author can use his/her own language !!! Such (key)words need not and should not be used for prominent formatting, such highlight or list. Rather it may be very useful for precising elements. Especially for imported blocks, or variables. This allows using the same syntax for analog , but distinct element types. For instance : ((page navigation | dynamic!!!true)) ((box new_page | title!!!"crear nov paj")) ((image logo.png | tag!!!"logo" | hSize!!!55)) (()) means import -- a keyword shows the type of element -- then its id/location -- and possible parameters. Technically, it's really easy to do. The best would be to include the available translations into the parser. Otherwise, it can be done in the editor, which even gives the user the possibility to change the lexicon. Both solutions are based on a dictionary. **build lexicons** * give each feature a descriptive name/ID, such as "dynamically_imported_image" * choose a clear keyword for each ID in all languages * from this build a lexicon per language **write in your own language** * the site admin and/on the user can choose the language * separating foreground & background : the editor reads and displays keywords in the chosen language but stores matching IDs //or// * the parser transcodes to html according to the language parameter **distribute** * the real source holds IDs, not language-dependant keywords * the lexicons are present on all sites who know creole * other authors read the same source in their //own// language //Note that this principle works for any programming language !!! With such an supple editor -- foregroung/background separation --, your could programm C or python or whatever in your own mother tongue. And even change language features to fit your view: I would change assignment to ':' instead of '!!!'.// !!! marking components todo !!! tags : choosing the right character for the right use //buiding a matching table// Below all non-control non-letter non-digit 7-bit-ASCII characters/keys. We should stick to these, as other characters may be problematic with non-english keyboards like mine ;-) : {{{!!!}}} " # \$ % & ' ( ) * + , - . / : ; < !!! > ? @ [ \ ] ^ _ ` { | } ~ NL SP TAB !! what do people do ? //human-to-human text// How de the people already format, style & layout plain text ? see [[http://usemod.com/cgi-bin/mb.pl?SillyTextFormattingRules]] Especially numbered lists & line breaks. !! feature --> character table |== feature |== characters |== fit |== example |== note ] |== style | | | | simple char at start of line for alinea style | | highlight | ** !! | !! | | * conflict with list\\! good | | distinct | // | // | | perfect ==? | | monospace | ## !! __ | {{{==}}} | | # conflict with anchor & list | | litteral/escape | ~ ~~ {{{{{{}}}}}} \ {{{\\}}} "" '' | " | | " pb at start of line? | |== link/pointer | | | | can be treated as component | | to page | {{{[[]]}}} | | | | | alias | {{{|}}} \ | | | {{{|}}} conflict with table\\see parameter | | categorized page\\language\\interWiki| {{{:}}} \ | | | {{{:}}} conflict with definition & subTitle | | to anchor/target | # @ | | {{{[[page@target]]}}} | | | anchor/target | {{{## @@}}} | {{{@@}}} | @@target@@ | | |== layout | | | | | | new alinea\\paragraph | NLNL NL § {{{\\\}}} | | | see alinea break\\§ similar to list & title\\NLNL good display | | title | == == + | | | | | subTitle | : _ | _ | | : similar to def meaning\\_ good ? | | bullet list item | * . | . | | * conflict with highlight | | number list item | # ? n 1 | | | # conflict with monospace\\why not 'n' or a real number? | | def term | ; ? | ? | | ; not explicit at all\\? conflict with variable | | def meaning | : | : | | :conflict with category link | | table cell | {{{|}}} | {{{|}}} | | | | table head | {{{|==}}} | {{{|?}}} | | | | horiz. rule | ---- | ---- | | yep ! | |== blocks | | | | | | component | {{{{{}}}}} | | {{image address}} | | | (x)html | {{{<<>>}}} | | {{{<>}}} | | | code | (()) | | ((python {{{|}}} print("nohtyp"))) | parenthesis ? | |== line breaks | | | | | | alinea break | {{{\\}}} NL | NL | | not needed !!==\\not a tag | | scissor/glue | {{{\\}}} __ | | | avoid == (confusion)\\not a tag | |== elements | | | | | | parameter | {{{|}}} \ ? | | | {{{|}}} conflict with table\\see alias | | variable | %% ?? | | %%page_name%% | ? conflict with defintion\\may be considered as component | | | | | | | | | | | | | (*) A link may also be considered as a generated component. This choice would be consistent with the facts : a link is not only text, and it accepts parameters. Syntax : [[link page | alias]]. Pb : it makes longer a very common feature. But the real typing pb lies in the double double bracket, not in typing a short word, as there's already text to type in the address. Or what ? Side advantage : it makes brackets or braces free for something else (placeholder - variable - what else ?). !!! character --> feature table todo -- the opposite of above, to better see free & matching characters !!! newline / paragraph [[the user's newline]] !!! customization alternative [[customization alternative]] ---- //life is strange//
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