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2007-Apr-17#

Hi, I am currently working for Dirk Riehle at SAP. When I wanted to use the Creole markup language, I had some issues I couldn't figure out what the specification requires. I will try to make it short and it would be great if you can me a reply if I am right or wrong
  1. If I want to print two bold asterisk in the wiki page, I cannot write "** ** **", because the second asterisk-pair is already the closing tag? So it is intended to use the next (not escaped) tag to close the bold section?
    But I can't rely on the use of in-line nowiki "** {{{**}}} **" because this could render two monospaced, or maybe not monospaced asterisks (depends on the implementer)? Is there any other possibility at the moment?
  2. Creole uses CamelCaseWords for internal links (even without using the link tags "[[...]]")?!
    If the page name has not this notation, then it's necessary to use the link tags [[ and ]] ? Can you prevent a Camel-Case-Word to be automatically transformed to a link?

If there is no possibility to escape (multiple) characters in Creole, I would tend to suggest an escape character or a not monospaced in-line nowiki (e.g. 4 curly brackets for not monospaced, and 3 curly brackets for the still useful monospaced in-line text). But that’s not the topic right now.

Thank you very much for your support!
-- Martin Junghans, 2007-Apr-17

Both are currently being rejected in Creole0.6Poll. I agree with you.

-- YvesPiguet, 2007-Apr-17

Hi Martin,

  1. There are two proposals that try to address this issue, either the Require Space After Bullet Proposal or the Hyphen List Markup Proposal. So far there is no consensus which one to use.
  2. What wiki engine/creole renderer are you using? Creole does not define camel case. This wiki does use CamelCase, but it's because it uses Mixed Mode. There is however a Escape Character Proposal. This common character also would help wikis that allow camel case to escape camel case links.

You also might take a look at the Proportional Font Nowiki Proposal. As Yves said, we don't have agreed on them yet, so please read through those proposals and then give us your opinion on the Creole 0.6 Poll, and tell Dirk that his vote is very much appreciated there, too ;-)

-- Christoph Sauer, 2007-Apr-17

I hate to butt in, but how is the list markup related to the escaping of bold markup?

Another thing: can you really distinguish a monospace asterisk from a proportional one? I, for one, can't.

There is a hack that allows you to write double bold asterisk without making it monospace, but it's not intuitive and doesn't look good in the raw text: ** *{{{}}}* __

-- Radomir Dopieralski, 2007-Apr-17

Hi Christoph,
I want to implement a own simple renderer using the Creole standard only. So I have to consider all these special cases and ambiguities. Thanks for all replies, now I know that the reason is not a weak specification, but has to be discussed for a future implementation. Thank you! I will state my point of views later in the proposal pages.

-- Martin Junghans, 2007-Apr-17

Ah, Radomir you are right. I was so in the discussion of that Creole 0.6 Poll that I really confused several bold markup characters with list/bold markup, sorry :-). Yes, It has nothing to do with it. Martin, as you can see through the messed up bold layout here the Creole Page Filter installed on this wiki also has problems with it.

-- Christoph Sauer, 2007-Apr-17

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