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30. April 2007#
I didn't sleep good last night. I was asking myself if I really did the right thing to advocate the HyphenListMarkupProposal, or if it simply would have been better to accept the BoldAndListsAmbiguity, that is not too bad at all. Actually it all was handled well enough by the implementations, as the tests showed. I am also asking myself if I in fact was the one that was pushing it hard against all others, especially Radomir, Yves and Gregor, because I had hardly anyone except Chuck that was backing me up by comments of support. I know that critics are your best friends, so I really apologize if I was irritating you.The resistance against the hyphen is IMHO an indicator that people are emotionally bound to that character for that purpose (because it is so common in the wikiworld), and that not using it might indeed threaten the success of creole. Moreover, not having a consensus amongst the people that are currently working the hardest here in this wiki, that making up a large part of the community of this wiki right now, would be a bad mistake. We should not give the WMS Workshop credit over the people here, especially because most of the people of the WMS-Workshop did not even show up here. The reason why we (Chuck and I) put up Creole 1.0 now, was that not making a decision would be the worst thing at all. We need to come to an end. People want to start using creole, we should not wait any longer. I therefore would like to suggest the following steps to an consensus.
- I personally would give up on the HyphenListMarkupProposal, this shall be accepted if no one rejects it (this means if there is no strong opposition -- and if it is true that only Chuck and I where pushing it, this will happen). We then back up to the old ambiguity - after all its called Creole.
- We will extend the Timeframe of Creole 1.0. Please vote on Creole 1.0 Poll so that we get a feeling for this last iteration toward a final spec. We might even rename the current Creole 1.0 to 0.7 then, having one more iteration to talk about a) Seperate Monospaced Markup, b) MultilineListItems, c) EscapeCharater. The time frame will be fixed. We will then have a Creole 1.0 at the first of June.
I am sorry if I appeared to not listen to the community. Maybe I wanted the best and did the worst, I didn't mean to. Nobody else so far wanted to take on that task of creating a common wiki markup, so you ended up with an amateur like me. I am sorry. I would suggest to vote someone this time, that takes the chair here.
We have reached so much, it would be a shame if we now stumble upon a hyphen. I hope we will all stick together a last time to bring this journey to an end. I think you all deserve this.
Thank You
-- ChristophSauer, 2007-04-30
27. April 2007#
Hi. Just a short question: Are InterWiki-Links, like [[WikiCreole:Creole1.0]], mandatory for an implementation of the WikiCreole 0.6 specification? Thanks in advance!-- Martin Junghans
To be honest, they haven't been discussed yet, so basically we don't know. On the other hand, ThereIsNoWrongWayToImplementCreole, so nobody will kill you if you skip them -- at the worst, you get some users complaining that they miss it.
-- RadomirDopieralski, 2007-Apr-28
It's only mandatory if you have an implementation of InterWiki in your wiki. If you don't use InterWiki, you can safely ignore it.
-- ChuckSmith, 2007-Apr-30
26. April 2007#
I've added a new version of the CreolePageFilter to this wiki that also supports Wikipedia style signatures. This should make life easier here. I hope that this also shows that tilde as an escape character does not necessarily collide with signatures. I might though have to alter the date format... What do you prefer?
--~~~ -> Signature --~~~~ -> Signature + Date
-- ChristophSauer, 2007-04-26