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== 2007-Oct-15
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I've added a patch (backport from a current 2.5 beta feature, thanks to Janne) that enables captcha, so you might have to select kittens ;). Currently it seems that it does not save your edit even if you identify the captcha corrently, but at least it does not lock you out, I also enabled Akismet again...
== 2008-Sep-23
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-- [[Christoph Sauer]], 2007-Okt-15 19:04 (CEST)
May I suggest to all contributors to discussion pages to sign with their name **and the date**, so that it's clear that the discussion is post-Creole 1.0? Thanks!
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== 2007-Oct-12
It's been very quite since Christoph tightened the wiki access. But since there had already been less useful
edits since the release of Creole 1.0, it's hard to say if potential editors find the access too difficult, if everyone
finds Creole 1.0 perfect, or if everybody gave up...
Could we have a new irc meeting to get an idea of how Creole is deployed?
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I just opened it again. Yes lets have one this week.
== 2008-Apr-25 ==
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-- [[Christoph Sauer]], 2007-Okt-15 12:07 (CEST)
I suggest that Creole also specify markup for monospace text. Unlike {{{text}}}, the content
would be processed as other markup. XHTML would be <code>text</code>.
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== 2007-Sep-27
One possibility would be {{{[[[text]]]}}} although that may be ambiguous with {{{[[wikiname]]}}}
Another possibility would be {{{:::text:::}}}
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Yesterday we had a spambot attack. The attacker used multiple IP's and created hundreds of accounts, and of course spamed alot of pages. It seemed to be a general attack against JSPWiki installations. I don't know yet how to protect against this, other than locking the page down, only allowing edits from accounts I gave edit permissions. I will give every account editor rights, that drops me a note and therefore proofs to me that he is not a stupid script. So if you have something important to say, just drop me a note and I'll give you editor rights.
For example, {{{:::monospace text with bold and italic and [[Proposals|links]]:::}}}
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Sorry for the inconvenience, I'll open this wiki again as soon as I have a appropriate patch to protect against this stupidity. For now it's more important that everyone can read the stable spec without spam.
-- [[DavidBiesack]], 2008-Apr-25
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-- [[ChristophSauer]], 2007-Sep-27 13:26 (CEST)
This is covered on the [[Additions]] page. The proposal is to use ##text to monospace##.
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It seems to be completely locked if you haven't registered. Previously, I was recognized even if I wasn't authenticated (I think that at the beginning of 2007, I had to authenticate to have my contributions properly attributed); now I'm redirected to the login page until I've entered my password, even before trying to edit anything.
-- [[StephenDay]], 2008-Apr-25
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Shouldn't this wiki be read-only for unregistered visitors?
== 2008-Feb-27
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-- [[YvesPiguet]], 2007-Sep-28
Strangely, the Creole 1.0 Test case does not get formatted as
expected in the Creole Sandbox.
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Correction: I've tried from another computer (a virtual one actually), and I can read pages. So the problem exists only when my authentification has expired (not important).
For example, spaces in front of list items are not allowed, just try
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-- [[YvesPiguet]], 2007-Sep-28
{{{
* list item one
** sub item
* list item two according to the spec, this should be a new list item at the same level as list item one
and this should still be part of list item two
}}}
-- 132.199.240.207
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Yes, try to view the page from a browser that does not remember you (by cookie), you should be able to view the pages. The strange thing is that as soon as you have logged in, JSPWiki 2.4 requires you to log in, even if one set the policy to give view rights to everybody. If you entered a wrong login, JSPWiki will show you the rejected message, but if you continue, you will be able to view the pages (like expected). This only happens in this current configuration where you grant view rights to all, and edit rights only to users which where granted a special role. This seems to be a bug in JSPWiki.
wikicreole.org doesn't implement Creole 1.0 yet. Please don't try to reproduce its behavior in your own implementation...
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--Christoph
-- [[YvesPiguet]], 2008-Feb-27
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No problem, that's a minor issue compared to the permanent spam and vandalism threat. Thanks.
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== 2008-Feb-22
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-- [[YvesPiguet]], 2007-Oct-2
The links to talk pages seem to have disappeared?
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I'm wondering, maybe it's time to bring up a static "front page" with the spec and general information (one that would be less sketchy), and move the wiki itself behind a link.
I don't know what you mean, do you mean the Discussion Tabs?. I can see them, has anyone else the same problem?
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-- [[RadomirDopieralski]], 2007-Oct-2
Test: [[Talk.Talk]] [[Talk.Talk|Link to Talk]]
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== 2007-Sep-12
-- [[ChristophSauer]], 2008-Feb-25 13:58 (CET)
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Wikicreole engine seems to give unexpected results. In the [[Sandbox]], copy this:
{{{
//Italic text
----
= H1
===== H5
It's only visible when the user is logged in.
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Some text
}}}
-- [[RadomirDopieralski]], 2008-Mar-01
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"Some text" is rendered in italic. Try also
* to remove the line with the horizontal rule: H1 becomes italic
* then to remove the blank line following H5: the line break disappears
* and then to replace "Italic text" with just "Italic": the double-slash is rendered as normal text, as if it were escaped
== 2008-Jan-12
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Skipping intermediate steps produces different results...
Though I have not yet been involved in this project, I took the liberty to create a Wikipedia entry [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creole_(markup)]] Hope nobody minds. And didn't know where else to put this info.
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-- [[YvesPiguet]]
-- [[TobiasSchaechtelin]], 2008-Jan-12
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What is the Wikicreole engine? Did I miss something?
Certainly nobody minds here :). And this is the right place to put that info. Welcome Tobias and thanks for the entry in Wikipedia!
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-- [[RadomirDopieralski]]
-- [[ChristophSauer]], 2008-Jan-13 10:27 (CET)
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By that I mean the engine running www.wikicreole.org. It must be JSPWiki, possibly with experimental features.
Yes, thanks for the article. I hope it stays up. :)
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Sorry for the confusion.
-- [[ChuckSmith]], 2008-Jan-13 12:03 (CET)
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-- [[YvesPiguet]], 2007-Sep-16
Yes, very good initiative, thanks!
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== 2007-Aug-22
//Including Creole in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lightweight_markup_language could be the next step?// : yes, I think the more links, the more likely the page is going to stay and be found.
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The German cheat sheet is encoded with UTF-8, but rendered as ISO-Latin-1 in Safari. Same problem
in Firefox, but Opera is fine. Have you specified an explicit charset?
--[[YvesPiguet]], 2008-Jan-14
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-- [[YvesPiguet]]
Thanks for the warm welcome. I added Creole to [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lightweight_markup_language]] and did some work on [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikitext]], which is the main article for wiki markup. You're welcome to revise it, since I might have missed some important points there. I will add some more cross references on the German and English Wikipedia - maybe there are other people who could do so for other languages?
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Thanks Yves, I added the header attached it to [[CheatSheet]].
-- [[TobiasSchaechtelin]], 2008-Jan-15 01:02 (CET)
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-- [[ChristophSauer]], 2007-Aug-23 17:27 (CEST)
== 2007-Dec-17
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== 2007-Aug-18
Tired of fighting with cats. Really tired. Can't get through. If this one succeeds it's a miracle.
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Sorry for coming again with that, I remember having been told there is no solution, but it's the 7th
time in about one week that I must revert [[Michele Tomaiuolo]]. It's been so fast lately I guess someone
is doing it on purpose. It's been done by 195.225.177.136, which doesn't have a reverse DNS entry.
Is there way to communicate with site's team other than through the cats? Takes too much time to pass them.
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This wiki seems to have an automated locking mechanism. Couldn't you add a rule to stop changes
with too long subject lines, or which empty pages, especially from unregistered connections, and
especially if it's repetitive? And a way to prevent automated scripts from working, such as images
to decipher or simple arithmetic to do à la C2?
[[Engines]] page is spoiled and I can't restore it because of cats.
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-- [[YvesPiguet]]
-- YaroslavStavnichiy
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Maybe it's time now to activate akismet again. I also will look into other options of the JSPWiki spam filter. Michele, as a quickfix I locked your page, but of course I know that this is no permanent solution.
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-- [[ChristophSauer]]
You need to e-mail ChristophSauer, he's got the backdoor keys. I'm working on a synchronized backup wiki on a different engine (Creole makes it possible), but it goes slowly.
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== 2007-Aug-16
-- RadomirDopieralski
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Yesterday I couldn't restore two pages successively, because I was blocked for a few hours because of my
suspicious activity. But the Change note of my second attempt was registered while the contents of the
page was left unchanged. The history in
[[http://www.wikicreole.org/PageInfo.jsp?page=MicheleTomaiuolo]] doesn't reflect that.
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-- [[YvesPiguet]]
Sorry for the inconvenience, Yaroslav and others. I disabled the captcha again. I hope we will handle the spam without it, the cats are anyway not working like expected. I just checked in fixes for the Creole Filter into the JSPWiki trunk (JSPWiki 2.6) and will start next year to port our template to JSPWiki 2.6. Hope the switch to the new version will then solve our spam problems.
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Yes, there's something wrong. I'll look into that immediately.
-- [[ChristophSauer]], 2007-Dez-19 15:16 (CET)
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-- [[ChristophSauer]], 2007-Aug-16 14:10 (CEST)
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== 2007-Jul-16
== 2007-Nov-28
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I would like to suggest a possible extension for 1.0. This would be for inner page anchoring and linking:
You should discard edits where the main article hasn't been changed at all; they serve only
to put spam in the subject field.
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__Inner Page Anchors and Links__
-- [[YvesPiguet]]
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Actually i should fix that bug by installing the new version of JSPWiki. It's on my looong list...
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For inner page anchors, the following syntax is recommend:
-- [[ChristophSauer]], 2007-Nov-29 11:06 (CET)
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{{{ [[#1]] }}}
== 2007-Nov-20
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Suggested HTML:
Server is up again. After 5 years of duty our central switch died yesterday. RIP.
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{{{ <a name='1' /> }}}
-- [[ChristophSauer]], 2007-Nov-20 14:01 (CET)
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== 2007-Nov-18
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For inner page links, the following syntax is recommended:
I wonder if we could call any of the implementations a ReferenceImplementation? If not, what would have to be added to the existing ones? -- RadomirDopieralski
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{{{ [[#1|text]] }}}
The question is in what programming language should the reference implementation be? I don't want to give the impression that we have a bias for a particular "religion".
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Suggested HTML:
-- [[ChristophSauer]], 2007-Nov-18 07:28 (CET)
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{{{ <a href='#1'>text</a> }}}
== 2007-Oct-28
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Note: without optional link text, using the {{{#}}} results in an inner page anchor. However, when using the optional link text, using the {{{#}}} results in a link to an inner page anchor.
The captcha is not working. When I submit the cats it just goes back to the edit page. The only reason I can add this is because the capcha never kicked in.
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-- [[JohnCook]]
-- Stephen Day
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I'd prefer a clearer way to disambiguate anchors and links, so that links don't need text; e.g. {{{[[@Chater1]]}}} for anchor
and {{{[[#Chapter1]]}}} or {{{[[#Chapter1|Chapter 1]]}}} for link.The at character is used for labels in some assembly languages,
iirc, so it isn't new. It would also blend more cleanly with links between pages.
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-- [[YvesPiguet]], 2007-Jul-17
== 2007-Oct-15
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== 2007-Jul-09
I've added a patch (backport from a current 2.5 beta feature, thanks to Janne) that enables captcha, so you might have to select kittens ;). Currently it seems that it does not save your edit even if you identify the captcha corrently, but at least it does not lock you out, I also enabled Akismet again...
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I have a Wiki engine that has a dialect based loosely on MediaWiki's dialect. My original thinking was that this might evolve as a standard. I am now in the process of developing a wiki engine based on Creole 1.0. It currently supports everything in the 1.0 spec except for secondary levels of lists. It also supports most of the formatting extensions.
-- [[Christoph Sauer]], 2007-Okt-15 19:04 (CEST)
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Anyway, as part of this activity, I have been developing a Springified Java package for my engine. I was thinking that it might be of interest to other Java developers. While I am not yet interested in placing my engine itself into the open source domain, I would be willing to share the interfaces and abstract classes above and around the engine either as source or as documentation to stimulate further discussion. Is anyone else working on this or interested in seeing what I have done?
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If there is enough interest, is there any particular place on the Creole Wiki where I should post it?
== 2007-Oct-12
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-- [[JohnCook]]
It's been very quite since Christoph tightened the wiki access. But since there had already been less useful
edits since the release of Creole 1.0, it's hard to say if potential editors find the access too difficult, if everyone
finds Creole 1.0 perfect, or if everybody gave up...
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2007-Jul-16 Update: I now support the multi level lists. This completes my 1.0 implementation except that I am definitely having trouble with mixing second level unordered lists with bold. Does anyone have recommendations for a strategy here?
Could we have a new irc meeting to get an idea of how Creole is deployed?
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-- [[JohnCook]]
-- [[YvesPiguet]]
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== 2007-Jul-05
I just opened it again. Yes lets have one this week.
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Isn't it possible to reduce spam with technical means? Something like c2, maybe?
-- [[Christoph Sauer]], 2007-Okt-15 12:07 (CEST)
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-- [[YvesPiguet]]
== 2007-Sep-27
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The spam filter is already catching alot of this, otherwise we probably couldn't work here anymore. It's not worth talking about spam ;)
Yesterday we had a spambot attack. The attacker used multiple IP's and created hundreds of accounts, and of course spamed alot of pages. It seemed to be a general attack against JSPWiki installations. I don't know yet how to protect against this, other than locking the page down, only allowing edits from accounts I gave edit permissions. I will give every account editor rights, that drops me a note and therefore proofs to me that he is not a stupid script. So if you have something important to say, just drop me a note and I'll give you editor rights.
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-- [[ChristophSauer]], 2007-Jul-05 21:11 (CEST)
Sorry for the inconvenience, I'll open this wiki again as soon as I have a appropriate patch to protect against this stupidity. For now it's more important that everyone can read the stable spec without spam.
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== 2007-06-18
Have you heard about the software that can convert between several different markup formats, called Pandoc [[http://sophos.berkeley.edu/macfarlane/pandoc/]] ?
Is there a page here (or on some other more appropriate wiki)
that discusses html-to-wiki-syntax and wiki-a-to-wiki-b-syntax translation?
-- anonymous
-- [[ChristophSauer]], 2007-Sep-27 13:26 (CEST)
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== 02. May 2007
I've renamed the Creole 1.0 to 0.7 (including discussion pages) and marked it as rejected. For [[Creole 1.0]] I've setup a small road map. It can be discussed on the [[Talk.Creole 1.0]] page.
It seems to be completely locked if you haven't registered. Previously, I was recognized even if I wasn't authenticated (I think that at the beginning of 2007, I had to authenticate to have my contributions properly attributed); now I'm redirected to the login page until I've entered my password, even before trying to edit anything.
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-- [[ChristophSauer]], 2007-05-02
Shouldn't this wiki be read-only for unregistered visitors?
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-- [[YvesPiguet]], 2007-Sep-28
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Hi all,\\
As you may know, I try to implement the exact Creole 0.6 specification. In the links section, I found "At least images inside links must be supported."\\
Does this mean, that the link description could consist of exact one picture? Or does the specification allow multiple images, or text mixed with an image, in one description?\\Is an image (inline) in a table cell allowed? It was not mentioned in the specification.\\
Thank you very much for your reply!
Correction: I've tried from another computer (a virtual one actually), and I can read pages. So the problem exists only when my authentification has expired (not important).
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-- Martin Junghans, 2007-04-30
-- [[YvesPiguet]], 2007-Sep-28
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I read it that the spec allowed for multiple images or text mixed with an image, just like HTML. Inline images are allowed in table cells.
Yes, try to view the page from a browser that does not remember you (by cookie), you should be able to view the pages. The strange thing is that as soon as you have logged in, JSPWiki 2.4 requires you to log in, even if one set the policy to give view rights to everybody. If you entered a wrong login, JSPWiki will show you the rejected message, but if you continue, you will be able to view the pages (like expected). This only happens in this current configuration where you grant view rights to all, and edit rights only to users which where granted a special role. This seems to be a bug in JSPWiki.
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-- Chuck Smith, 2007-May-02
--Christoph
No problem, that's a minor issue compared to the permanent spam and vandalism threat. Thanks.
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