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//Good for all likely not of importance anymore in two days//
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//Good for everything likely not of importance anymore in two days//
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Entiteling day-entries helps finding back things easier. New day-entries below this line, please.
Putting in titles for day-entries helps finding back things easier. New day-entries below this line, please.
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== 2007-02-07 Updating Server Software
== 2008-Sep-23
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ChristophSauer: For those who tried to log in in vain today - while trying hard to get those ACL problems solved I mistakenly locked the page. So welcome back again :). I'will reinstall the server today so you might see other strange things happening. Sorry for the inconvenience. It should be done by the end of the week - then you will also see a new look for the site.
May I suggest to all contributors to discussion pages to sign with their name **and the date**, so that it's clear that the discussion is post-Creole 1.0? Thanks!
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== 2007-02-06 ACL Problems
-- [[YvesPiguet]]
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ChristophSauer: There is something wrong with the access control right now. It's not to serious but it seems that some pages will not be editable anymore for some reason I haven't figured out yet. Let Me know if there is a page that gets locked that should not be locked. Currently the following pages are locked by intention: LeftMenu, Home, Index, RecentChanges.
== 2008-Apr-25 ==
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JaredWilliams: There is also something wrong with the "forgotten password" reminder. Throws some internal error, which is preventing me from logging in.
I suggest that Creole also specify markup for monospace text. Unlike {{{text}}}, the content
would be processed as other markup. XHTML would be <code>text</code>.
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Jared, send me an e-mail. I'll then reset your password by hand. --[[ChristophSauer]]
One possibility would be {{{[[[text]]]}}} although that may be ambiguous with {{{[[wikiname]]}}}
Another possibility would be {{{:::text:::}}}
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== 2007-02-06 Spicing things up
For example, {{{:::monospace text with bold and italic and [[Proposals|links]]:::}}}
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RadomirDopieralski: As Creole matures, it starts to attract more attention. Soon we will have to direct our efforts more on advertising it and developing various plugins and converters than developing the standard.
-- [[DavidBiesack]], 2008-Apr-25
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This brings us to the topic of looks. It didn't matter at the beginning, but I think that we should improve the looks of this wiki a little, to give it impression of silidness and professionalism, and maybe even design some kind of good logo for Creole, for those little banners (colophons?) and "edit with Creole" buttons, so that the users will immediately know that they can use Creole on particular site.
This is covered on the [[Additions]] page. The proposal is to use ##text to monospace##.
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If yuo don't mind, I'll try and prepare some style sheet for this wiki. We can also think about making a LogoContest soon.
-- [[StephenDay]], 2008-Apr-25
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ChristophSauer: I was about to change the looks this week by installing a slightly modified template. I will not do any big layout changes though, so feel free to make suggestions. We could have a [[LogoContest]], but I actually like to keep the dog (btw, his name is viki ;), anyway we will see.
== 2008-Feb-27
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== 2007-01-23 How to handle invalid bold/italic
Strangely, the Creole 1.0 Test case does not get formatted as
expected in the Creole Sandbox.
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[[WankerRoot]]: Hi there, the [[Creole0.3]] specs says that such bold/italic mixes are "unacceptable": {{{ //**bold-italic//**}}}. But - how shall the interpreter handle it? I was unsure so I decided for [[http://www.daemon.de/PodWiki|PodWiki]] to correct the invalid code and render it anyhow, [[http://www.daemon.de/CreoleWhat|Here is how it looks]]. My question is: is this the intended way to handle this? Any comments? - kind regards.
For example, spaces in front of list items are not allowed, just try
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RadomirDopieralski: I don't think there is one and only good one way of handling such malformed markup -- and I think that different parsers will handle it differently. The important thing to remember is to never just ignore characters and eat them silently. So there are a few options: 1) Ignore the markup and display the characters verbatim, indicating this way that something is wrong with them, 2) First "{{{//}}}" starts italics, first "{{{**}}}" starts bold, then there is the text "{{{bold-italic}}}", then: 2.1) second "{{{//}}}" ends both the bold and the italic, second "{{{**}}}" starts a new bold span, that ends with the end of paragraph, 2.2) second "{{{//}}}" is treated as normal text (as there is no active italic span to close), second "{{{**}}}" closes the bold span, the rest of text is italic until the end of paragraph. 3a) only "{{{//}}}" are treated as markup, "{{{**}}}" is treated as normal text, 3b) the other way around, only "{{{**}}}" are treated as markup, "{{{//}}}" is treated as normal text, 4) your parser uses some heuristics and properly guesses what the user meant. To my understanding of the [Goals], especially __there is no wrong way to implement Creole__, each of these approaches is correct.
{{{
* list item one
** sub item
* list item two according to the spec, this should be a new list item at the same level as list item one
and this should still be part of list item two
}}}
-- 132.199.240.207
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== 2007-01-22
wikicreole.org doesn't implement Creole 1.0 yet. Please don't try to reproduce its behavior in your own implementation...
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[[SteffenSchramm]]: Hello. I updated the creole filter to support [[LineBreaks]] in blog-style. Please test if everything is ok, and whether the linebreaks work. You can use this as a test to see if you like blog-style linebreaks better.
-- [[YvesPiguet]], 2008-Feb-27
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[[ChristophSauer]]: Steffen, I installed the previous version again, since the new one messed up the commentboxes. It's not a good Idea to test the filter in this wiki anymore, and I guess it never was - my fault. I've installed a sandbox wiki now where we can install and test the latest Creole pagefilter: [http://www.wikicreole.org/creole-sandbox]
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== 2008-Feb-22
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== 2007-01-13
The links to talk pages seem to have disappeared?
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[[ChristophSauer]]: Updated the creole filter and activated it again. After some problems I hope we finally got it to work. Some markup still is not working as expected. But I don't want to wait no longer. You should finally be able to use Creole on the creole wiki as well. We are late, could have put more effort on it earlier. Thanks Steffen for the implementation. If you have trouble with it, report it on the [[CreoleFilterError]] page or let me or SteffenSchramm know.
I don't know what you mean, do you mean the Discussion Tabs?. I can see them, has anyone else the same problem?
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== 2007-01-09
Test: [[Talk.Talk]] [[Talk.Talk|Link to Talk]]
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RadomirDopieralski: I did a little cleanup, moved parts of discussions into relevant "proposal" pages and apropriate talk pages. I hope this will help to keep things in order. I also linked from the [[Versions]] page to the proposals discussed for particular version. Should we also refactor the discussions into "rationale" descriptions on the [[Elements]] pages? They have grown to sizes impossible to catch up to for new readers.
-- [[ChristophSauer]], 2008-Feb-25 13:58 (CET)
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== 2006-12-10 / About PukiWiki
Please refer to the following links for the syntax of PukiWiki:
It's only visible when the user is logged in.
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* [[http://pukiwiki.sourceforge.jp/?FormatExample]]
* [[http://miyoshino.la.coocan.jp/eswiki/?FormattingRules]]
-- [[RadomirDopieralski]], 2008-Mar-01
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== 2008-Jan-12
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== 2006-09-23
RadomirDopieralski: We are making some progress, and receiving some feedback, but it seems to be pretty disorganized. In particular, it's hard to find rationales and explanations behind the decissions, as well as proper discussions on alternatives. I'm afraid that we will end up with some markup format, and not much more.
Though I have not yet been involved in this project, I took the liberty to create a Wikipedia entry [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creole_(markup)]] Hope nobody minds. And didn't know where else to put this info.
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That's why I'd like to start creating some [[GoodPractices]] descriptions related to creating markup language for wikis in particular, and (maybe) text markup languages in general.
-- [[TobiasSchaechtelin]], 2008-Jan-12
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If each new proposition, recommendation, good practice, etc. is on a separate page, then it's easier to document it's pros and cons, interactions with other parts, discussion.
Certainly nobody minds here :). And this is the right place to put that info. Welcome Tobias and thanks for the entry in Wikipedia!
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I'm not sure if this wiki is a good place to do it, but we can try. I'm a little afraid of clashes with existing pages on this wiki, and of "hijacking recent changes" -- after all it would be nice to just look at RC here and see what's new in the draft.
-- [[ChristophSauer]], 2008-Jan-13 10:27 (CET)
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What do you people think? Would you be interested in such a wiki? Maybe somehting like this already exists?
Yes, thanks for the article. I hope it stays up. :)
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ChristophSauer: Good Idea. I think this wiki would be a good place to put it, and actually Ward also mentioned this idea of BestPractices. If we have more implementations I would like to set up a student research project that would test the usability of creole in non technical faculties. They then could use and extend those GoodPractices for creole. Let's keep it here and see how it works out. Let's keep the efforts focused on one wiki for now. I would not be too afraid of hijacking RC. If people are interested in a particular set of pages, for example how the standard is evolving, they can use the individual RSS feeds of every page to compile their own RC through their blogreader.
-- [[ChuckSmith]], 2008-Jan-13 12:03 (CET)
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== 2006-09-07
ChristophSauer: Just added an interwiki link to ohanawiki.net - you can shortcut links to pages there with prefixing your link like this {{{[[Ohana:WikiPrinciples]]}}}
Yes, very good initiative, thanks!
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//Including Creole in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lightweight_markup_language could be the next step?// : yes, I think the more links, the more likely the page is going to stay and be found.
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[{ALLOW edit All}]
--[[YvesPiguet]], 2008-Jan-14
Thanks for the warm welcome. I added Creole to [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lightweight_markup_language]] and did some work on [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikitext]], which is the main article for wiki markup. You're welcome to revise it, since I might have missed some important points there. I will add some more cross references on the German and English Wikipedia - maybe there are other people who could do so for other languages?
-- [[TobiasSchaechtelin]], 2008-Jan-15 01:02 (CET)
== 2007-Dec-17
Tired of fighting with cats. Really tired. Can't get through. If this one succeeds it's a miracle.
Is there way to communicate with site's team other than through the cats? Takes too much time to pass them.
[[Engines]] page is spoiled and I can't restore it because of cats.
-- YaroslavStavnichiy
You need to e-mail ChristophSauer, he's got the backdoor keys. I'm working on a synchronized backup wiki on a different engine (Creole makes it possible), but it goes slowly.
-- RadomirDopieralski
Sorry for the inconvenience, Yaroslav and others. I disabled the captcha again. I hope we will handle the spam without it, the cats are anyway not working like expected. I just checked in fixes for the Creole Filter into the JSPWiki trunk (JSPWiki 2.6) and will start next year to port our template to JSPWiki 2.6. Hope the switch to the new version will then solve our spam problems.
-- [[ChristophSauer]], 2007-Dez-19 15:16 (CET)
== 2007-Nov-28
You should discard edits where the main article hasn't been changed at all; they serve only
to put spam in the subject field.
-- [[YvesPiguet]]
Actually i should fix that bug by installing the new version of JSPWiki. It's on my looong list...
-- [[ChristophSauer]], 2007-Nov-29 11:06 (CET)
== 2007-Nov-20
Server is up again. After 5 years of duty our central switch died yesterday. RIP.
-- [[ChristophSauer]], 2007-Nov-20 14:01 (CET)
== 2007-Nov-18
I wonder if we could call any of the implementations a ReferenceImplementation? If not, what would have to be added to the existing ones? -- RadomirDopieralski
The question is in what programming language should the reference implementation be? I don't want to give the impression that we have a bias for a particular "religion".
-- [[ChristophSauer]], 2007-Nov-18 07:28 (CET)
== 2007-Oct-28
The captcha is not working. When I submit the cats it just goes back to the edit page. The only reason I can add this is because the capcha never kicked in.
-- Stephen Day
== 2007-Oct-15
I've added a patch (backport from a current 2.5 beta feature, thanks to Janne) that enables captcha, so you might have to select kittens ;). Currently it seems that it does not save your edit even if you identify the captcha corrently, but at least it does not lock you out, I also enabled Akismet again...
-- [[Christoph Sauer]], 2007-Okt-15 19:04 (CEST)
== 2007-Oct-12
It's been very quite since Christoph tightened the wiki access. But since there had already been less useful
edits since the release of Creole 1.0, it's hard to say if potential editors find the access too difficult, if everyone
finds Creole 1.0 perfect, or if everybody gave up...
Could we have a new irc meeting to get an idea of how Creole is deployed?
-- [[YvesPiguet]]
I just opened it again. Yes lets have one this week.
-- [[Christoph Sauer]], 2007-Okt-15 12:07 (CEST)
== 2007-Sep-27
Yesterday we had a spambot attack. The attacker used multiple IP's and created hundreds of accounts, and of course spamed alot of pages. It seemed to be a general attack against JSPWiki installations. I don't know yet how to protect against this, other than locking the page down, only allowing edits from accounts I gave edit permissions. I will give every account editor rights, that drops me a note and therefore proofs to me that he is not a stupid script. So if you have something important to say, just drop me a note and I'll give you editor rights.
Sorry for the inconvenience, I'll open this wiki again as soon as I have a appropriate patch to protect against this stupidity. For now it's more important that everyone can read the stable spec without spam.
-- [[ChristophSauer]], 2007-Sep-27 13:26 (CEST)
It seems to be completely locked if you haven't registered. Previously, I was recognized even if I wasn't authenticated (I think that at the beginning of 2007, I had to authenticate to have my contributions properly attributed); now I'm redirected to the login page until I've entered my password, even before trying to edit anything.
Shouldn't this wiki be read-only for unregistered visitors?
-- [[YvesPiguet]], 2007-Sep-28
Correction: I've tried from another computer (a virtual one actually), and I can read pages. So the problem exists only when my authentification has expired (not important).
-- [[YvesPiguet]], 2007-Sep-28
Yes, try to view the page from a browser that does not remember you (by cookie), you should be able to view the pages. The strange thing is that as soon as you have logged in, JSPWiki 2.4 requires you to log in, even if one set the policy to give view rights to everybody. If you entered a wrong login, JSPWiki will show you the rejected message, but if you continue, you will be able to view the pages (like expected). This only happens in this current configuration where you grant view rights to all, and edit rights only to users which where granted a special role. This seems to be a bug in JSPWiki.
--Christoph
No problem, that's a minor issue compared to the permanent spam and vandalism threat. Thanks.
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