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Entitling day-entries helps finding back things easier. New day-entries below this line, please.
Putting in titles for day-entries helps finding back things easier. New day-entries below this line, please.
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== 2008-Sep-23
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== 2007-02-28
May I suggest to all contributors to discussion pages to sign with their name **and the date**, so that it's clear that the discussion is post-Creole 1.0? Thanks!
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[[Michele Tomaiuolo]]: You're making a very good work, Christoph. Thanks!
-- [[YvesPiguet]]
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[[Christoph Sauer]]: You are welcome, I pass that on to you all. We are making good progress :)
== 2008-Apr-25 ==
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== 2007-02-26
RadomirDopieralski: I just thought of a minor improvement I'd like to ask for: to put the "log in/log out" link right next to where it says "G'day <insert your name here>". I find myself looking there to check if I'm recognized/authenticated and then searching the whole screen for the login link. By the way, it seems that this macro uses a different algorithm for recognizing users than the one generating recent changes.
I suggest that Creole also specify markup for monospace text. Unlike {{{text}}}, the content
would be processed as other markup. XHTML would be <code>text</code>.
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ChristophSauer: Thanks for the suggestion. I will add that the next time I will update the software. I also will place the RecentChanges somewhere more visible. I will update the software anyway because I've fixed the "LostPassword" problem - so far JSPWiki was not able to use authentication for email server accounts when sending email, that's why I was not able to activate that feature.
One possibility would be {{{[[[text]]]}}} although that may be ambiguous with {{{[[wikiname]]}}}
Another possibility would be {{{:::text:::}}}
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ok, software update is done. Reset password should work now. "Null" user edits should be fixed as well, --ChristophSauer.
For example, {{{:::monospace text with bold and italic and [[Proposals|links]]:::}}}
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RadomirDopieralski: Thank you so much for the work. And for the login link. I just noticed a strange thing -- initially it said "G'day Visitor", then, when I logged in, it said "G'day RadomirDopieralski (not logged in)", then I logged in a second time and it said "G'day RadomirDopieralski (authenticated)".
-- [[DavidBiesack]], 2008-Apr-25
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ChristophSauer: Can you reproduce it? I restarted the server several times yesterday evening. Your login might got lost during this...
This is covered on the [[Additions]] page. The proposal is to use ##text to monospace##.
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RadomirDopieralski: No, I can't reproduce it now. You're probably right. It wasn't critical or obnoxious, just interesting. This wiki is really improving, thank you.
-- [[StephenDay]], 2008-Apr-25
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== 2008-Feb-27
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[[Gregor Hagedorn]] I found this resource today and looked through it, being a content rather than system person. I like the ideas and hope this wins more support. I do not understand what is intended with Placeholder on [[Creole 0.5]], please elaborate. I wrote [[Levels of Interoperability]], please someone link it in - or ignore if out of scope - I cannot find a good parent place. I wrote a list of some markup wishes and comments on my [[GregorHagedorn|personal page]].
Strangely, the Creole 1.0 Test case does not get formatted as
expected in the Creole Sandbox.
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For example, spaces in front of list items are not allowed, just try
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{{{
* list item one
** sub item
* list item two according to the spec, this should be a new list item at the same level as list item one
and this should still be part of list item two
}}}
-- 132.199.240.207
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== 2007-02-22
[[Christoph Sauer]] Dear creole parser developers. We have proposed a [[HyphenListMarkupProposal]]. I know that it is quite yet another change, but I think it's crucial. Please read through it carefully before you rant at me, because that was Chucks first response as well ;). I consider this as an important decision towards a Creole version 1.0. If we have sorted this out I feel pretty much that we are through.
wikicreole.org doesn't implement Creole 1.0 yet. Please don't try to reproduce its behavior in your own implementation...
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My personal todolist/whishlist towards a Version 1.0
-- [[YvesPiguet]], 2008-Feb-27
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* getting through the [[HyphenListMarkupProposal]] discussion.
* general escape character (clarify usage of spaces before elements), see [[Escape Character Proposal]]
* clarify the usage of placeholder, discuss separate markup for placeholder and plugins/extensions/macros (term is engine specific) see confusion in [[Remove Placeholder Proposal]].
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== 2008-Feb-22
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The links to talk pages seem to have disappeared?
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I don't know what you mean, do you mean the Discussion Tabs?. I can see them, has anyone else the same problem?
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== 2007-02-10
RadomirDopieralski: Going directly to http://wikicreole.org (without the www prefix) takes you to the default Tomcat page...
Test: [[Talk.Talk]] [[Talk.Talk|Link to Talk]]
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ChristophSauer: Thanks Radomir, forgot to set the alias for the virtual host. works now.
-- [[ChristophSauer]], 2008-Feb-25 13:58 (CET)
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== 2007-02-09
ChristophSauer: It's done. I've updated the server. [[[ACL Problem|Talk.AccessControlLists]] is still there. I'll work on that next week. Layout is cleaner now, but still needs some color and spice. Suggestions welcome.
It's only visible when the user is logged in.
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[[Michele Tomaiuolo]]: I like the changes, Christoph. Great work! ;)
Hmm... A little suggestion: if you keep all vertical margins smaller in the left box, links will be more visible and easy to click on.
-- [[RadomirDopieralski]], 2008-Mar-01
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[[JaredWilliams]]: Quick heads up, {{{ http://www.wikicreole.org/templates/creole/images/bulletUp.png }}} is missing (404).
Cannot edit Talk.Placeholder. Trying to go to http://www.wikicreole.org/Edit.jsp?page=Talk.Placeholder directly, results in a redirect to http://www.wikicreole.org/Edit.jsp?page=Talk.placeholder, for creation of a new page. Which seems odd.
== 2008-Jan-12
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RadomirDopieralski: Wow, the new looks does indeed look much better and cleaner. There are still some tiny little things to correct (for example the dashed bottom border on links to non-existent discussion pages, the 1px empty space between the tabs in the editor and the frame, the large line height in the sidebar) but I really like the direction. On a related effort, I tried to prepare a "web 2.0"-ish look for this page, but had a lot of problems with the current structure of the html. You can see my attempt at http://sheep.art.pl/work/creole/
Though I have not yet been involved in this project, I took the liberty to create a Wikipedia entry [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creole_(markup)]] Hope nobody minds. And didn't know where else to put this info.
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Btw. I do like the dog and don't mind the graphics staying there and the animal being the //mascot// of the project and even a symbol of the Creole wiki. However, it makes a poor [[Wikipedia:logo]] for WikiCreole itself, not to mention the JSPWiki symbol in it. I was rather thinking of some kind of a simple yet recognizable symbol that people could put in their site's footer to announce that it supports Creole, or on an "edit with Creole" button.
-- [[TobiasSchaechtelin]], 2008-Jan-12
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I prepared this {{http://sheep.art.pl/work/creole/favicon.gif|favicon}} for this site :)
Certainly nobody minds here :). And this is the right place to put that info. Welcome Tobias and thanks for the entry in Wikipedia!
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[[JaredWilliams]]: {{http://homepage.ntlworld.com/jared.williams/creole/creole.gif|creole}}. Any suggestions for better colours? Not sure if the animal is really recognizable either, (a stretched & squished version of Radomir's favicon above) unless you know what your looking at. But atleast a starting point. :)
-- [[ChristophSauer]], 2008-Jan-13 10:27 (CET)
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RadomirDopieralski: I think I have a preference to greens (usability, user friendliness) and browns (tradition, standard, official), but that's just me.
Yes, thanks for the article. I hope it stays up. :)
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I coudn't resist: {{http://sheep.art.pl/work/creole/wc.gif}}
-- [[ChuckSmith]], 2008-Jan-13 12:03 (CET)
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== 2007-02-06 Spicing things up
Yes, very good initiative, thanks!
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RadomirDopieralski: As Creole matures, it starts to attract more attention. Soon we will have to direct our efforts more on advertising it and developing various plugins and converters than developing the standard.
//Including Creole in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lightweight_markup_language could be the next step?// : yes, I think the more links, the more likely the page is going to stay and be found.
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This brings us to the topic of looks. It didn't matter at the beginning, but I think that we should improve the looks of this wiki a little, to give it impression of silidness and professionalism, and maybe even design some kind of good logo for Creole, for those little banners (colophons?) and "edit with Creole" buttons, so that the users will immediately know that they can use Creole on particular site.
--[[YvesPiguet]], 2008-Jan-14
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If yuo don't mind, I'll try and prepare some style sheet for this wiki. We can also think about making a LogoContest soon.
Thanks for the warm welcome. I added Creole to [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lightweight_markup_language]] and did some work on [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikitext]], which is the main article for wiki markup. You're welcome to revise it, since I might have missed some important points there. I will add some more cross references on the German and English Wikipedia - maybe there are other people who could do so for other languages?
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ChristophSauer: I was about to change the looks this week by installing a slightly modified template. I will not do any big layout changes though, so feel free to make suggestions. We could have a [[LogoContest]], but I actually like to keep the dog (btw, his name is viki ;), anyway we will see.
-- [[TobiasSchaechtelin]], 2008-Jan-15 01:02 (CET)
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[{ALLOW edit All}]
== 2007-Dec-17
Tired of fighting with cats. Really tired. Can't get through. If this one succeeds it's a miracle.
Is there way to communicate with site's team other than through the cats? Takes too much time to pass them.
[[Engines]] page is spoiled and I can't restore it because of cats.
-- YaroslavStavnichiy
You need to e-mail ChristophSauer, he's got the backdoor keys. I'm working on a synchronized backup wiki on a different engine (Creole makes it possible), but it goes slowly.
-- RadomirDopieralski
Sorry for the inconvenience, Yaroslav and others. I disabled the captcha again. I hope we will handle the spam without it, the cats are anyway not working like expected. I just checked in fixes for the Creole Filter into the JSPWiki trunk (JSPWiki 2.6) and will start next year to port our template to JSPWiki 2.6. Hope the switch to the new version will then solve our spam problems.
-- [[ChristophSauer]], 2007-Dez-19 15:16 (CET)
== 2007-Nov-28
You should discard edits where the main article hasn't been changed at all; they serve only
to put spam in the subject field.
-- [[YvesPiguet]]
Actually i should fix that bug by installing the new version of JSPWiki. It's on my looong list...
-- [[ChristophSauer]], 2007-Nov-29 11:06 (CET)
== 2007-Nov-20
Server is up again. After 5 years of duty our central switch died yesterday. RIP.
-- [[ChristophSauer]], 2007-Nov-20 14:01 (CET)
== 2007-Nov-18
I wonder if we could call any of the implementations a ReferenceImplementation? If not, what would have to be added to the existing ones? -- RadomirDopieralski
The question is in what programming language should the reference implementation be? I don't want to give the impression that we have a bias for a particular "religion".
-- [[ChristophSauer]], 2007-Nov-18 07:28 (CET)
== 2007-Oct-28
The captcha is not working. When I submit the cats it just goes back to the edit page. The only reason I can add this is because the capcha never kicked in.
-- Stephen Day
== 2007-Oct-15
I've added a patch (backport from a current 2.5 beta feature, thanks to Janne) that enables captcha, so you might have to select kittens ;). Currently it seems that it does not save your edit even if you identify the captcha corrently, but at least it does not lock you out, I also enabled Akismet again...
-- [[Christoph Sauer]], 2007-Okt-15 19:04 (CEST)
== 2007-Oct-12
It's been very quite since Christoph tightened the wiki access. But since there had already been less useful
edits since the release of Creole 1.0, it's hard to say if potential editors find the access too difficult, if everyone
finds Creole 1.0 perfect, or if everybody gave up...
Could we have a new irc meeting to get an idea of how Creole is deployed?
-- [[YvesPiguet]]
I just opened it again. Yes lets have one this week.
-- [[Christoph Sauer]], 2007-Okt-15 12:07 (CEST)
== 2007-Sep-27
Yesterday we had a spambot attack. The attacker used multiple IP's and created hundreds of accounts, and of course spamed alot of pages. It seemed to be a general attack against JSPWiki installations. I don't know yet how to protect against this, other than locking the page down, only allowing edits from accounts I gave edit permissions. I will give every account editor rights, that drops me a note and therefore proofs to me that he is not a stupid script. So if you have something important to say, just drop me a note and I'll give you editor rights.
Sorry for the inconvenience, I'll open this wiki again as soon as I have a appropriate patch to protect against this stupidity. For now it's more important that everyone can read the stable spec without spam.
-- [[ChristophSauer]], 2007-Sep-27 13:26 (CEST)
It seems to be completely locked if you haven't registered. Previously, I was recognized even if I wasn't authenticated (I think that at the beginning of 2007, I had to authenticate to have my contributions properly attributed); now I'm redirected to the login page until I've entered my password, even before trying to edit anything.
Shouldn't this wiki be read-only for unregistered visitors?
-- [[YvesPiguet]], 2007-Sep-28
Correction: I've tried from another computer (a virtual one actually), and I can read pages. So the problem exists only when my authentification has expired (not important).
-- [[YvesPiguet]], 2007-Sep-28
Yes, try to view the page from a browser that does not remember you (by cookie), you should be able to view the pages. The strange thing is that as soon as you have logged in, JSPWiki 2.4 requires you to log in, even if one set the policy to give view rights to everybody. If you entered a wrong login, JSPWiki will show you the rejected message, but if you continue, you will be able to view the pages (like expected). This only happens in this current configuration where you grant view rights to all, and edit rights only to users which where granted a special role. This seems to be a bug in JSPWiki.
--Christoph
No problem, that's a minor issue compared to the permanent spam and vandalism threat. Thanks.
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